Giants/O's

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Giants trade:

Nick Solak $400K
Samir Duenez $400K
Isaiah White $400K
Nick Burdi $400K
Austin Slater $400K SFG #19
a 2017/18 4th FYPD
Geovany Soto $600K 2017
Paulo Orlando $558K 2017
Carlos Estevez $523K PP-2019

For:

Eric Hosmer $5M 2017

O's wanted first three players to which I added Burdi, Slater and a 4th so he would take Soto, Orlando and Estevez to make cap more manageable.

O's to confirm.

I'm sorry but these are the type of deals that make teams terrible. He's getting low end prospects and RP who's getting TJ suergury. He'd get more just giving hosmer a RT and taking two 2nd rounders.

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He asked for my advice, and I told him I'm not too keen on this trade. He apparently had a somewhat better offer but decided to go with this one. He never responded to my message about being "not all that high on some of those players." Shrug.

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I'm not high on any of them and if they were FA I probably wouldn't bid on any of them. To get a player like hosmer and not even give up a prospect that's even in their teams top ten is a joke. I did like burdi but with him needing TJ surgery his value is little. We're talking about contracting teams and this is the type of trade that leads to talks of cutting teams. I think we should watch the O's going forward to make sure the team doesn't turn into a dumpster fire.

[Giants GM (Ron)]

Rankings are overrated. It's performance that counts. How many highly rated prospects at one time drop and never make it. Samir Duenez is 21 years old and in AA and doing quite well. He had 100 RBI last year as a 20 year old across three levels. If you don't think he is any good you're mistaken. Let's see where some of these guys are rated at the All-Star break. Nick Solak a 2nd round pick in 2016 and has performed well to date. Austin Slater has a +.300 MILB average. He is hitting .311 in AAA. I was not aware of Burdi but TJ is not a career ending thing. Plenty in MLB doing quite well right now after TJ. How highly rated was Trey Mancini, Willson Contreras or Ryon Healy? Oh that's right I picked them all from the waiver wire. No one else in this league saw value.

Now let's see. Riley Pint and his 2-11, 4.92 ERA, his average K rate and nearly a walk an inning. I don't care how hard he throws or how high he was drafted. That's not stellar. Cody Sedlock 6.80 ERA this year and over 5.00 for 2016 and 2017. For an possible 10 top pitcher like Carlos Martinez?

We all value differently. I think you way underpaid for Martinez but not enough that everyone else might think that. Bob came to me with the first three guys for an EXPIRING CONTRACT Eric Hosmer and his 4 homeruns. I sweetened the pot because I thought he was worth a little more and I need cap space.

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Ron, I've had multiple teams contact me about how horrible this trade. It's worrisome that an LM in our league think this is a fair deal. I wouldn't have traded the worst prospect in my Martinez deal for that bag of balls you you guys agreed too. We are going through issues with bad trades and teams getting worse and I think it's time to put the league first. Frankly I'd be shocked if anyone says this is a remotely fair deal.

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FYI pint has a special arm and BA updated their top 100 and he's top 50.

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And he has yet to show anything. Tons of players get inside the top 50 and never make it. Like I said rankings are not always correct. If the TRP shoots it down so be it. But I would challenge you to a wager. Just a public wager, no real terms. Just that Duenez, Slater and Solak not only make it to the majors first but have a bigger impact over the long run than Pint or Sedlock. Whoever wins will post of the others greatness and our own stupidity. Plus you never responded to the Mancini, Healy, Contreras post. Why didn't you draft or post them for FA. I mean you are the most knowledgeable baseball person in the history of time. I am sure you have never made a mistake in your judgment of talent.

As far as the LM part. I will give that up to you or anyone at a moments notice. I take it you are interested in that duty? Say the word and it's yours. One more post about me intentionally trying to take advantage of someone and I'm gone. That is the farthest thing from my mind. Of course, you'll enjoy that because it's less competition for you. That is all you care about is what is good for you and your team. (WAA! you shouldn't combine teams, that wouldn't be fair to Anton) blaa blaa blaa

[Giants GM (Ron)]

Case in point. Three years ago you (Anton) and others thought Dalton Pompey was the next big thing. Gave the Braves holy hell, made him rework his trade for the then #30 BA prospect. How's that worked out? There are plenty others we all miss out on. Five or six years ago I thought Melvin (then BJ) Upton was a stud. Seth did not. He was right. Rankings don't mean anything.

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Dude you're talking about a trade no one posted. You gave this guy scrapes for a good player. Other people in the league have contacted me about this terrible trade. You complain about me me give first round pick top 50 prospect. and you could even muster anything other then team top 19-20 something prospects. You're clearly bias on this terrible trade and as LM you should know better. I'd be shocked if this trade went through but I'll leave it to the rest of the TRP as I said my piece this is a big veto for me.

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It's borderline for sure. Not sure it's vetoworthy, but Baltimore Bob could have done better.

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I don't think it's good trade for the Orioles, but it's only a one year deal so I don't think it's bad enough to veto.

[Giants GM (Ron)]

If the trade he turned down to take this was that much better I would be willing to retract it and toe the company line if he can do better. Frankly my thought was to potentially look to trading Hosmer or another offensive piece for a MI or pitching.

[Brewers GM (Larry)]

Well I don't understand why Bob accepted this deal over my offer but everyone has their own opinion on players.

This was my offer that I got no response on;
SP: Josh Hader (MIL) - $400K PP
CI: Bobby Bradley (CLE) - $400K PP
OF: Dylan Cozens (PHL) - $400K PP

For
CI: Eric Hosmer (17) 5.00M with restricted tag

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Wow

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Regardless of what happens with this trade we need to keep an eye on the O's

[Giants GM (Ron)]

I need this trade voided and someone to take my place on the TRP. I am tired of reading bullshit reactions that I only care about myself. I also need someone to take over the Fantrax LM privileges. I just want to take care of my team. Maybe someone can talk CJ into staying and being on the TRP. He is a good owner.

[Giants GM (Ron)]

As I have expressed before I think we need new blood running this league. I think we need to replace 4 of the 7 TRP. What we have done is clearly not working and maybe a new majority might have better ideas. I am not leaving ...this year. But unless someone finds a bunch of new owners or we contract in some way I won't be back for 2018. This is why I need someone to step up and take over Fantrax. Because I don't want to leave the league hanging. Adecision like this needs to be worked out sooner than later or this league is in it's final year. Josiah is another person who would be a good fit on the TRP.

[Giants GM (Ron)]

My request to void the trade was based on my belief that CJ was leaving the league because of this trade. That was not what he was saying. In fact, his words were to veto a trade was a Dick move. Based on the response so far the only vote for veto of 7 possible is the person who posted it. I will accept whatever decision the TRP comes up with.

Isn't it ironic that the majority of the trade reviews are posted by one person? He is definitely one that should be replaced on the TRP.

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Dude being dramatic much the vote is two to one in favor now bc this you want to leave the trp and possibly quit. Kind of sad that my opinion carries so much weight with you. If you guys want me out of the trp I'm good with that not going to be a child and quite bc I don't get my way. In my opinion the trade is bad and he had better ones so be a man, get over my opinion and move on.

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I also never mentioned CJ once so I don't know what that is about

[Brewers GM (Larry)]

In my opinion my offer was better then what he accepted. That's just my opinion. If he wants a bunch of nobodies so be it but it will destroy his team. This league is hurting for leadership and Anton & Ron need to call a truce and move on. Both of them are valuable to this league. I'm hoping Ron reconsiders. I'm going to ask CJ to be a part of the TRP.

I can do Fantrax if you like since I do others and know Fantrax pretty good.

[Giants GM (Ron)]

I have not said I was quitting the league. I am tired of all the work of being on the TRP and managing rosters on Fantrax and the spreadsheet and have said so for a while. I am tired of seeing more and more teams become inactive and suck and no one does a thing except say we need to recruit better. Don't say it do it. I brought up CJ because it looked like to me he was leaving the league because of the trade. I just would like to manage my team for a while. (and Padres) As far as the vote. We have seven TRP members. I can't vote on this one. So one of six expressed that this trade is veto worthy.

I can transfer Fantrax to you Larry when I get a little more time. Thanks.

[Brewers GM (Larry)]

I'd vote to veto but since I feel I made a much better offer I'm not going to officially vote

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With every bitchy comment I see in the chat box, comments, and in here, I become less interested in this league too. That said, I still stand by my "it's a shitty trade but not so much vetoworthy."

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Let's just pass it and move on not enough people to vote and it's just going to take up time

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We do need to drop and add a few TRP members bc we don't have enough that put any input

100% agree with you on this Anton. That is why I am so willing to give up my slot. Like I have been saying new blood, possibly new outlook is needed.

[Brewers GM (Larry)]

JC said he would join the TRP. You can drop my son Mike (Dodgers) he doesn't have the time to be on the TRP

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Approved the trade.