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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 18:24:30 GMT -5
...here is how the Full Count league standings look.
NL West
The Dodgers have a commanding 51 points, with the always competitive Diamondbacks a surprising 11 points back at 40. Hitting is both teams' strength right now, but Dodgers pitching is really putting the spank down on everyone else, with solid performances from Kershaw and Sherzer. Arizona pitching is a miserable last place currently, hoping that Kluber and Price can get healthy soon.
The Rockies remain a respectable 36.5, the Giants at 33.5, and the Padres at 19.
NL Central
The Brewers have surprised this season, keeping hold of their first-place lead with 43 points, followed by the Reds at 38.5 and the ownerless Pirates at 37. The Brewers' strength has been pitching, with Santana, Fulmer, and Andriese buoying the rotation. The PIRATES lead on offense, which wasn't surprising coming into April. If the Pirates could get a motivated GM, they could probably find ways to bolster their pitching and be competitive in the NL Central this year. Reds batters and pitchers have been sluggish all April, and Shawn has to hope things improve as the weather warms up, particularly from the likes of Trevor Story.
The Cardinals are fourth with 33.5 and the Cubs fifth with 28.
NL East
The Braves and Mets are duking it out in the NL East, with the Braves holding at 50 points and the Mets at 45. The Mets bats have been a bit cooler, but Mets and Braves pitching is neck-and-neck, tied at 24 points each. The Mets will be looking for Kipnis, Cervalli, and Pence to pick up the pace. The Braves on the other hand desperately need to get active on the trade or FA front and acquire another OF if they hope to remain competitive.
The Nats are at 31, Marlins at 28.5, and the Phillies are trying to claw out of the basement with 25.5.
AL West
The Astros and Rangers are nearly in a dead heat, with Astros up by one with 51, the Rangers second with 50. Both teams are competitive with their offense and pitching, with Houston having the edge on the prior, the Rangers on the latter. Both teams looks super competitive, and it's anyone's guess who will take the lead come mid-August. Houston has the edge with an incredibly deep bench and bullpen, though they're certainly hoping for more from a gimpy-looking Jose Bautista and Todd Frazier. Texas will hope batting averages will climb and mediocre performances from Teheran, Iwakuma, and Norris get better.
Oakland is staying somewhat competitive at 34.5, while the Angels sit at 26.5 and the lowly Mariners at 18.
AL Central
The Royals are already trying to run away with their division with 47.5 points, while the Indians (38), White Sox (36.5), and Tigers (36) all kick and scream for second place. This is probably one of the most competitive divisions in the league right now! The Royals are winning with hitting, though the White Sox aren't far behind; Tigers pitching is ruling the jungle at 25 points, with the Indians and Royals not far behind at 22.5 and 22 respectively. A lot could change here though with only one month played. The Indians are certainly in trouble with their third-place hitting at 15.5. If they want to have any chance of maintaining second place, they'll need more from bats not named Chris Owings. Meanwhile, the Royals are hoping for better from mid-tier pitchers such as Straily, Peralta, and Ryu; the White Sox are hoping A.J. Griffin has truly improved and Logan Morrison is for real; and the Tigers desperately need their low-contact bats to do something other than whiff.
The Twins are in fifth with 22.
AL East
The Yanks and Jays are throwing punches and fighting for first, with the Yankees in the lead with 48.5, the Jays second with 45. Both teams are in the top two of their division for hitting and pitching. However, Toronto pitching is miles behind New York: nearly 10 points separate the two teams, with the Yanks dominating from the performances of Gonzalez, Paxton, and Carrasco. Though not very deep on the bench, Yankee bats are solid all around, and Matt has to hope everyone stays healthy and productive. The Jays will definitely need to address their pitching woes sooner than later, needing more than 4.xx performances from Hughes and Miller to keep them afloat.
Tampa Bay is in third with 31, while the Orioles are fighting to take that spot with 30.5. The Red Sox, who today said they were going into sell mode, were in fifth with 25 points.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 18:31:53 GMT -5
The irrelevant but fun combined standings... If the season were to end today and we went off of combined standing points, your top 10 would be:
1. Dodgers, 321
2. Yankees, 289.5
3. Astros, 284
4. Rangers, 281
5. Diamondbacks, 265
6. Rockies, 251
7. Giants, 246.5
8. Blue Jays, 239.5
9. Brewers, 233
10. Braves, 221.5
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 3:03:24 GMT -5
I thought we went over this last year already, it makes absolutely no sense to count roto stats by divisions. I don't know where this came from, but it has always been combined standings where we get everything. Highest team from each division from there wins division, highest 2nd place team wins wild card, this is how we determine draft order, waiver order, etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 6:36:24 GMT -5
You talked about how you didn't like it last year but that's about it. It's how it's been since the league was created, if you want I changed everyone need to agree on it. Personal I don't care either way. Bring it up for a vote and maybe next year it can be different
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 6:37:52 GMT -5
I few years back I was number one if the league and still lost the division.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 8:08:32 GMT -5
To Anton's point, see this post, me noting the lack of replies and help, and then the lack of replies (zero) in response to the division playoff bracket. Please, if this division formation method needs to be formally set a certain way, set up a poll, get the league to vote on it. And most important, be a voice when it counts. |
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on May 12, 2017 11:52:23 GMT -5
What really stings is looking at the overall standings seeing 4 of the top 6 teams are from the NL West. Rockies and Giants would be out of playoffs. Blue Jays would also be out because the AL West has two higher rated teams, one of which gets the wild card. Meanwhile the #10 and #11 teams would be in. (Not that I didn't already expect this going in...)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 4:33:12 GMT -5
.Yup. It is exactly the reason why I'm getting really tired of putting this much effort into this league when I already have almost no chance at the playoffs in May...with one of the best records in the entire league.
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Post by Red Sox GM (CJ) on May 13, 2017 8:16:09 GMT -5
^^^ I'm really sorry to hear that.
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on May 13, 2017 13:19:22 GMT -5
.Yup. It is exactly the reason why I'm getting really tired of putting this much effort into this league when I already have almost no chance at the playoffs in May...with one of the best records in the entire league. I agree with you Seth. I think we need to look seriously at making some changes to the league (contraction). If that then consider changing the amount of divisions to perhaps two in each league and have two wild card teams in each of the AL & NL. Or maybe expanding the playoffs to 10 or 12 teams with a bye or two sprinkled in. The past two years three of the top 6 teams have been from the NL West which means one did not make the playoffs even though their record was good enough to easily qualify for the playoffs. I know Seth has been a victim of that at least once. I can certainly see where he is frustrated with all the work he has put into this league and his team and have the misfortune of sitting in a division with 3, now 4 top 6 teams. |
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Post by Angels GM (Jason) on May 13, 2017 13:38:06 GMT -5
Add a second wild card just like the MLB has and have something like a three or five day wild card matchup.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 13:46:35 GMT -5
I'd be very against adding a second wild card team but with the chance of teams getting contracted in the offseason I think we should eliminate divisions and just have AL and NL top 4 teams make it from each
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Post by Red Sox GM (CJ) on May 13, 2017 14:41:47 GMT -5
Nah, I like building against my division. As close to real baseball as possible is my vote. However, if 6 teams disappear it would be much easier making to the playoffs and the player pool would be bigger. Not to mention you'd elimate the vacant team issue.
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Post by Brewers GM (Larry) on May 14, 2017 8:29:38 GMT -5
First order of business is the contraction of those 6 teams in the off season then re-align the divisions. Possibly just two, American & National. If we stay as is this league will fold. I hate to see that since I've been here since day one. Getting 24 good owners should be our priority.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 8:47:28 GMT -5
I don't think we necessarily need to get rid of six teams. We could take 4 and move those players to the last two teams to make them more desirable
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 8:57:37 GMT -5
I too like building against my division.
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Post by Red Sox GM (CJ) on May 14, 2017 8:57:58 GMT -5
But how does that generate a little juice with the 24? I've been here a short time but in that time I can tell you 10 is close to your active number. I think the other 14 are starting to lose a little interest and a supplemental draft could really liven things up. Besides of the 6 teams you need to fill I don't see anyone joining in all 3 of my dynasty league. We have 2 openings in each of my other leagues and it's been that way since opening week.
That doesn't mean this is a dying breed but people want to put a stamp on their own team and it's difficult when 10 of 30 people are trading.
EX: Tampa, you don't have to move anything to make the "desirable" and its still vacant
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 9:23:50 GMT -5
That doesn't mean the teams can't be filled and It was filled for the past few years so I really don't think contracting a team with talent is an option
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 10:41:41 GMT -5
If we keep the divisions then let's just go by league standings and just move on from this
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 11:29:53 GMT -5
If we keep the divisions then let's just go by league standings and just move on from this To be clear, overall league standing? That means the only reason to have a division is for the wild card, correct? |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 13:37:35 GMT -5
If we keep the divisions then let's just go by league standings and just move on from this To be clear, overall league standing? That means the only reason to have a division is for the wild card, correct? Combined standings gets you everything. Highest ranked team from NL West wins NL West, highest ranked from NL Central wins central, highest from NL East wins East, and next highest rank NL team wins wild card. It doesn't help my cause but that's how I always assume it was done. At the very least, I'm pretty sure that's how Jordan and Jared always did it. |
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on May 14, 2017 13:54:16 GMT -5
We can still keep the divisions with contraction. You can re-balance divisions by changing team names. If we lose two teams from a division and none from another ask a team to change his team name and switch divisions. It still doesn't solve our issue of 4 strong teams in the NL West and two automatically lose out. But that could be a consideration when potential team name/division changes. I don't care what my team name is as long as I keep my players.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 14:23:52 GMT -5
I think it's a bit crazy that bc the NL west is strong we have to rerange everything to make sure some team don't miss out on the playoffs personally I like being in a strong division and if I miss out on the playoffs so be it. I also don't think removing a bunch of teams is a great idea. I'd be more willing to go with two being the Padres and the mariners for a lack of talent not being able to get owners.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 14:45:47 GMT -5
I certainly have some strong opinions, but I'm hesitant to get too vocal with them. In the end, we can certainly put it to a league vote and see what the league decides.
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on May 14, 2017 19:44:42 GMT -5
That doesn't mean the teams can't be filled and It was filled for the past few years so I really don't think contracting a team with talent is an option We have had times where it appeared we were filled but we never really have been in a few years. How do you think the Padres and Mariners got so bad? No owners for a couple of years and they go to hell and there is nothing we can do about it without new blood. Several other teams may not be far behind if we don't find owners. As I have said before if anyone thinks it's easy to find owners have at it. Bring us some. I have tried several times at different places with no luck. Don't tell us we should be able to find some new owners. Do it. I am out of ideas. I know that we all have different contacts or talents. We need a group effort to do this not opinions. If this were a perfect league we would not have some of the issues we have. It's a very good league but it may be time to face the fact that changes may have to be made. |
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on May 14, 2017 19:50:23 GMT -5
But how does that generate a little juice with the 24? I've been here a short time but in that time I can tell you 10 is close to your active number. I think the other 14 are starting to lose a little interest and a supplemental draft could really liven things up. Besides of the 6 teams you need to fill I don't see anyone joining in all 3 of my dynasty league. We have 2 openings in each of my other leagues and it's been that way since opening week. That doesn't mean this is a dying breed but people want to put a stamp on their own team and it's difficult when 10 of 30 people are trading. EX: Tampa, you don't have to move anything to make the "desirable" and its still vacant I agree, again, with contraction and the supplemental draft of the contracted teams in reverse order of finish. Perhaps at during the playoffs or right after year end. This would allow teams to draft for next year or the future (prospects). All players would be at the league minimum. This would allow teams to put their own stamp on their teams. It sucks to see top prospects go to a team like the Padres who haven't had an active owner in over two years. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 20:06:53 GMT -5
The rays have been filled for years just opened up over the summer to get ride of them so people can pick up good players for free isn't a good enough reason for me. To say it's impossible to find a person for them is a bit much. Some team maybe contracted but not good ones with talent. The Padres had a GM for years and he was just terrible and left last summer not bc they had no one. Mariners just had a bunch of bad people running them.
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on May 14, 2017 21:52:54 GMT -5
I agree not all the teams need to be contracted. The Padres owner did nothing after the draft last year. The Cubs were open all of last year and no one knew it until we got an email from Rich to that he had left the league and would like to be taken out of the email loop. My point is the longer these teams are unattended the worse they get and more difficult to fill. I know the Rays are different and have some talent but we still don't have an owner. Anton as an competitive individual I challenge you to find an owner for the Rays. That is my biggest problem is that people say it shouldn't be tough to find people but they never bring in anyone themselves. Yes we have also had problems with having a number of owners for teams like the Mariners. But what is the answer to the turnover? Does anyone have ideas to attract good owners? Or are there too many leagues out there like us? I know there are people who say they want a team and don't last very long.
I think we need to figure out how to fix the problems we face. But first they need to be identified. We have a GREAT core of active owners in the league. But we always seem to be searching for 3 or 4 new ones. This is why I keep mentioning contraction. Not because I want help getting more talent. I am a numbers guy. When you are always looking for 3 or 4 owners you have to consider that the math is telling you there is not enough people to support those 3 or 4 teams. I know life takes over and people leave but that certainly isn't the majority. I honestly don't know the answer but would be appreciative if someone could help us figure it out.
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on May 14, 2017 22:25:56 GMT -5
Final point.
Mariners #30
Cubs #29
Marlins #28
Padres #26
Twins #25
Nationals #24
Pirates #12
Know what all these teams have in common? They have no owner. Tell me again how these are all good teams. They should be easy to find owners. Some may have a few decent players but in the end they are not good. And they will all have expiring contracts robbing them of more talent. Sucking the life out of these teams until there is nothing left. We need to wake up.
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Post by Red Sox GM (CJ) on May 14, 2017 23:15:29 GMT -5
Most of those teams come out of Tier 4 and 5. If we dropped 6 we would still have 2 open teams and the remaining teams would go to Tier 4. We could eliminate Tier 5 completely.
For the sake of tradition the 6 teams could come 1 each from a division and let's face it, teams like the Twins, Padres, Marlins, Rays, Pirates, Mariners don't have a fan base anyway, they won't be missed in this league.
POSTED TIER RULES SALARY CAP:
Tier 4 – Brewers, Twins, Reds, Rangers, Indians, Padres, Rockies, Diamondbacks
• 2014 Salary Cap Amount for Tier 4 - $110 million
• 2 Franchise Options
• 2 Restricted Options
• Tier 5 – Pirates, Nationals, Marlins, Rays, Royals, Athletics
• 2014 Salary Cap Amount for Tier 5 - $100 million
• 3 Franchise Options
• 2 Restricted Options
As of 2014 season
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