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Post by Rangers GM (Jared) on Apr 6, 2015 13:22:55 GMT -5
What are you guys thoughts on this. He was traded by the Twins right last year to the Mets at the end of the season. The old Mets owner never added him, and we never updated the spreadsheet to show he owned Holliday. We changed Mets owners and the new Mets owner did not have knowledge that he had Holliday. He has since signed free agents and does not have the cap space for him. I am not a fan of making the Mets drop half his roster to make room for this guy. My vote would be we make Holliday a free agent. Mets should have added him, did not, therefore he loses him. I do not like the idea of punishing a new owner for something that happened before that he never knew about it. Your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 13:46:23 GMT -5
Should we allow him to keep Holliday at a reduced rate or is that an unfair advantage?
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on Apr 6, 2015 14:28:54 GMT -5
The Twins were also guilty of not updating Fantrax or their Proboards roster. The Twins should have processed the trade to the Mets on Fantrax. Make the Twins keep him at $17M. I do agree that the Mets should not be penalized. Give him the option of keeping him at the current price or give him a 3rd draft pick which is what he gave up.
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Post by Brewers GM (Larry) on Apr 6, 2015 15:25:50 GMT -5
The Twins were also guilty of not updating Fantrax or their Proboards roster. The Twins should have processed the trade to the Mets on Fantrax. Make the Twins keep him at $17M. I do agree that the Mets should not be penalized. Give him the option of keeping him at the current price or give him a 3rd draft pick which is what he gave up. Again I agree with Ron |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 19:29:07 GMT -5
I disagree with making the twins keep him. A team like the Twins that isn't competing isn't concerned with his fantrax roster until the start of the season to make sure he has everyone. With the previous Mets owner never asking for the trade on Fantrax I bet he didn't even think about, and I don't really blame him. Fantrax isn't where all the information is, it is only used to keep the stats. Even if the Twins had dropped him, that doesn't mean we still wouldn't be in this situation.
I see this as solely oversight error by us.
We could put him on the block for the Mets and see if the Mets can get anything for him, if not allow a free drop?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 19:30:10 GMT -5
Should we allow him to keep Holliday at a reduced rate or is that an unfair advantage? I don't like changing contracts. |
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Post by Rangers GM (Jared) on Apr 6, 2015 19:35:45 GMT -5
Give him to the Mets and give him a week to try and deal him or get cap right? 2 weeks? If not, he can get free drop?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 19:53:37 GMT -5
I'd be okay with giving him a free drop from the start if he wants it. If he wants a week of Matt Holliday with no cap ramifications to try to trade him and if he doesn't he could free drop him...I'm okay with that too.
I also agree with Jordan. It's what I've been saying all along. I think everyone overreacts with fantrax. We sign contracts on here, we make trades on here, we release players on here...obviously we want people to pick these players up and it can be annoying when they don't...but I don't like the idea of voiding contracts or trades just because they didn't do it on fantrax. Especially when it comes to teams that aren't active or a trade involving a team that isn't active.
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on Apr 7, 2015 0:04:50 GMT -5
I disagree with making the twins keep him. A team like the Twins that isn't competing isn't concerned with his fantrax roster until the start of the season to make sure he has everyone. With the previous Mets owner never asking for the trade on Fantrax I bet he didn't even think about, and I don't really blame him. Fantrax isn't where all the information is, it is only used to keep the stats. Even if the Twins had dropped him, that doesn't mean we still wouldn't be in this situation. I see this as solely oversight error by us. We could put him on the block for the Mets and see if the Mets can get anything for him, if not allow a free drop? Twins have been in since Jan 2014 and made the trade August 14, 2014. But because they are not competitive means they have an excuse to not update their roster for 7 1/2 months? And your willing to take the blame for an oversight error? Why is the 72 hour rule in place? It is being selectively enforced because many have lost players by not properly rostering them within 72 hours but 7 1/2 months is acceptable? He should have at the very least "been concerned" about his Fantrax roster by the start of the season not sometime after. At what point do teams take responsibility for their own teams and not be expecting someone to track every transaction they make and run their team for them? Every team should update all three places Proboards roster, spreadsheet roster and Fantrax. Seems to me a minimum expectation. |
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Post by Angels GM (Jason) on Apr 7, 2015 6:58:29 GMT -5
Give him to the Mets and give him a week to try and deal him or get cap right? 2 weeks? If not, he can get free drop? Sorry for not being around much lately. I'm dealing with a minor health issue and now a death in the family. I agree eith Jared here. |
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on Apr 7, 2015 7:36:16 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with Jared's suggestion. I just want teams to be held accountable for their own transactions moving forward. The excuses are getting real old as to why they need special privileges to not keep their own team in order. I understand it is a lot of work. But if they don't do it someone else who also has a team must do it and that is not fair.
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Post by Rangers GM (Jared) on Apr 7, 2015 10:05:53 GMT -5
I agree with you Ron on guys needing to be accountable. But the 72 hr rule was more for people picking guys up. We hadn't had an issue with guys not being dropped. And had the Mets been with us the whole time I'm sure they would have noticed they didn't have Holliday, and gotten him dropped. Lots of teams have asked us to drop guys from other rosters on fantrax which we do no problem. My real concern is what we do with HOlliday moving forward and how it affects the Mets. I gave guys till opening day to get fantrax fixed, which technically, Twins did.
We do need to hold guys more accountable. We've taken some guys from people, and we've levied some penalties. We just need to be more on top of the spreadsheet so we can see who is not under proper rules and who needs these penalties.
So we're good with giving Mets 2 week period with Holliday and then a drop afterwards?
Also, very sorry to hear that Jason. We've got you covered until you recover man!
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on Apr 7, 2015 11:14:27 GMT -5
Works for me.
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