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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 20:40:32 GMT -5
In a reworked deal by the Braves and the Nationals.
Nationals Trade:
OF: Dalton Pompey (TOR) PP 400K (#3 Prospect TOR Baseball America)
2015 5th Round Pick (WAS)
To: Braves
For
2015 2nd Round Pick (ATL)
MI: Alex Yarbrough (ANA) PP 400K (#5 Prospect ANA Baseball America)
RP: Michael Tonkin (MIN) PP 450K (#15 Prospect MIN Baseball America)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 20:40:52 GMT -5
Nothing has changed by me...a low 2nd round pick and crap for a top 50 prospect
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 21:39:41 GMT -5
Veto a second round pick and scrubs for a top 50 prospects ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 21:58:58 GMT -5
Did anyone talk with him?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 21:59:07 GMT -5
ATL 2nd isn't early I think it's a later pick
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 21:59:42 GMT -5
I spoke to ATL but not Nats
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on Nov 17, 2014 8:42:42 GMT -5
What reliable sources have Pompey rated a top 50 prospect? BA has him rated #4 on a bottom 3rd rated farm system as rated by Scouting Book. They have him rated as #70. I am always looking for additional sources to rate prospects and would appreciate the help.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 10:27:10 GMT -5
He was a no name prospect going into the season and was a quick riser. Sickeks had him from unranked and graded a C to all the way to number 63 at midseason.
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on Nov 17, 2014 11:57:17 GMT -5
So we are talking about a personal evaluation based on a mid season grade of one source plus a bump for a good 2nd half? He/they may be basing their evaluations on 2014 rankings which have changed substantially as you suggest. I have provided a source that I think more properly reflects his status as the #70 overall prospect rather than a "gut feeling" #50. The issue I have is that there are those evaluating this trade on their personal valuations rather than a source that does this full-time. We all have had trades shot down during the past season. This shows our valuations may be faulty also. Acting as if we are experts and stating emphatically that he is a top 50 without any hard proof from a respected source is wrong. I would like to see what Baseball America rates him. My guess is somewhere between 51 and 70. I suggest we have plenty of time between now and the beginning of the season, let's wait to see how the experts rank these players before making a decision. It is easier to do evaluations of MLB talent. MILB talent is much more difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 12:26:29 GMT -5
The experts already have spoken baseball american is externally high on him. Do need scouting reports? Tonkins is a relief pitch who won't be in him teams top 20 prospects. He was I'm there too 30 last year but had a bad season and has fallen out. Yarbrough is a solid mid leve guy who BA said his plate disapline is his best tool. The you have a late second. Baseball America just had him ranked top 5 prospects in te Arizona fall league
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 12:29:33 GMT -5
Baseball Americas midseason top 50 had him there
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 12:32:38 GMT -5
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Post by Giants GM (Ron) on Nov 17, 2014 12:44:00 GMT -5
The second round pick has more value than you are giving credit for. Let's call it a 3rd round pick because it is way down but that is higher than any of these guys were drafted. Pompey was drafted in the 16th round. You also have pointed out that Tonkin and Yarborough have some value. I understand Pompey has exploded over the past year or so. He's trending up and will get his opportunity this year but he is not a lock to be a star or even an every day starter. Tonkin pitched pretty well at the MLB level in limited time the past two years. Last year he had two poor outings and was very solid the rest of the year. I just don't think the trade is as bad as you are making it out to be. I don't believe it should be vetoed. The Braves get the best player, with more upside, clearly, but I don't believe the other side of the trade is table scraps or garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 12:46:28 GMT -5
To me a late second mid leve guys with low upside isn't worth a top 50 prospect. So it's still a veto to me
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 12:47:06 GMT -5
I don't like the trade. I think its a big undersell but veto worthy still unsure
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 14:55:01 GMT -5
Let just try to get the votes in so either one way or another we don't keep these guys waiting
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Post by Brewers GM (Larry) on Nov 18, 2014 11:59:19 GMT -5
To me a late second mid leve guys with low upside isn't worth a top 50 prospect. So it's still a veto to me VETO |
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Post by Angels GM (Jason) on Nov 18, 2014 19:37:04 GMT -5
booo, veto
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Post by Rangers GM (Jared) on Nov 19, 2014 11:45:17 GMT -5
Ha boo veto as well. Pompey worth a first at least i think
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 13:12:35 GMT -5
Veto. Someone explain how top prospects are valued in a league like this
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